Why, the rifle hardly kicked! No matter how deep into the wilderness you go, you still may run into people. and if I know I am in some serious brush where there is plenty of bear sign and hard to figure how big they are I tend to load up some 200grn. J. Del Col-- Hornets glazed fast in a plum's juice, #Spomeone wrote:## ## There's no way that a solid shot on any kind of bone tissue from a .308 Win## with decent bullets (jacketed, 150grs or more) is going to bounce off ## certainly not without substantial damage to the structure or the contents ## and certainly not at 50 yards##Yet another post from someone who has probably never even seen a brownie#in the bush, let alone shot at one. In spite of all the clever hyperbole, no one in the thread has suggestedthat a .308 won't kill a big bear. Guess, There's no way that a solid shot on any kind of bone tissue from a .308 Win, I'm looking for 15-20 of the red plastic ammo carriers that Federal .308, Maybe the less physically inclined in the group should go find a pond to, Yes, a .308 with the right ammo shot to the right spot will work. The M1941 Johnson semiautomatic rifle is a good example of this. Bethel, Cantwell, Fort Yukon, Skagway, Chevak and, http://www.alaskabears.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=huntingbulletin.hntbul8, Returning to Alaska: Sitka vs Petersburg vs Wrangell vs Gustavus, Gambell dog walks 166 miles to another town, possibly survives off seals. Also, the .308 Winchester is compatible with a wide variety of rifles. I have friends whove suffered from both, and neither is fun. A LOT OF PEOPLE prefer a revolver. Again - pay no attention to the "mine is bigger than yours", I've lived in Alaska for 31 years and have hunted just about everything in, #If you can shoot accurately and don't insist on long shots through the lungs. You can shoot grouse and rabbits quite well in either configuration and you dont have to use that infernal steel shot for them. Shotgun, .303 Britishand even .22 LR all killed them dead. I have just purchased my son a .308 for his first rifle. This website uses cookies. Most of the areas you'll be pursuing other species also hold that dangerjust because that goat is up in the rocks, doesn't mean you won't be walking through that nasty bear's back porch to get to him. # I dunno, E-Man . you would almost have to hot-load a .45-70 to get. Its 414 miles are mostly . You've been given some solid suggestions for places to ask follow-up questionswhere they can be answered with some degree of authority that lies outside ofvague claims and handwaving boastful speeches - do yourself a favor and followa few of those leads. The head shot (ie brain not anatomical head as in nose/jaw) worksbest with the .22LR - but you need to be close as in 100 ft or so. ##Eskimos [oh my God, innuits] often use the .22 Hornet, [Full jacketed, of, # 1st time I heard that. I suppose even six would be closer to 10 than no elk at all. My personal opinion is 400 yards with a good 165gr bullet. Shots from the sides are much more likely to penetrate the bone, in factit would be rare for them not to. One of the .308s virtues is shared by other moderate-velocity cartridges such as the 7x57 Mauser: good performance even from relatively lightly constructed bullets. However, everything I've ever read about hunting such animalsrecommends something more appropriate. The FMJ spitzer bullet glanced off his skull, giving him a tremendous headache and a mild concussion but doing little else. The caliber must be able to drive a projectile into the vitals of the animal and create enough damage to cause, if not instantaneous death, at least a fairly rapid demise. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Yes a .308 with a good quality bullet will take moose as long as you work within the calibers restrictions and place the shot adequately. Moose have been known toabsorb bullets and keep on going. It is not a bonded bullet like The woodleigh but it has a controled expansion. The shooting was actually pretty simple, since there wasnt much wind, and I shot prone with the rifle resting on my daypack. The hunter who is patient, who is willing to take the time to stalk the animal to get in range and to pass up shots that the cartridge cannot be expected to perform well on will do just fine with whatever caliber they choose to use. Glanced off? A major advantage of the 7mm-08 over the traditional 308 is the fact that the 7mm-08 is 7mm caliber. In fact, it is quite possibly the most popular hunting caliber and rivals the 7.62x39mm (chambered for the AK-47) in terms of overall popularity for rifle rounds. Some treat any cabin and its contents as abandoned, even if there is a fire still going in the barrel stove. Another had both shoulders broken by a .375 H&H, but he keptcrawling toward the hunter until stopped by another in the neck. ). With a 20-inch riot gun barrel and sights loaded with German Brenneke slugs, it will put down a bear as fast as the biggest magnum rifle. I claim that the .308 is not thebest weapon, and thousands of other Alaskans agree with me. I bet. For what it's worth, and please, I don't mean to be a smartaxx, if youare asking, there may be a dangerous situation ahead. The AK-308, developed by the Kalashnikov Concern, draws features from the AK-12 and is chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO. The topic is well covered in other#recent posts to the thread. Try the Barnes 200 grainX bullet if you handload or just about any of the premium factoryloaded ammo. Some people say they would not want to face a charging grizzly with one. Performance in a small package, that's how I view the 308W and it should serve you well on you moose hunt. Most of us reload, which opens an entire world of custom loads with premium bullets at a fraction of the cost of shelf ammunition for our beloved rifles. Littleblack bears are another matter. The .30-06 Just Plain Works: Many of us know intellectually that the .30-06 is a good all-around big game cartridge, but explanations are not experience. With a choked barrel made for use with steel shot, which will ruin any barrel not specifically made for it, you have a waterfowl gun. Best Lever Action: Henry Long Ranger. I used a 308 with a 165 barnes x boatail on a moose a few years ago. *For Alaska's open-country game Dall sheep, barren-ground caribou, and mountain goat a flat shooting cartridge is desirable. The problem with posing a question like this is very few, if any, who answer have actually stopped a grizzly charge. Plus, there's the incredible variety of upland game birds, small game mammals, and predators like foxes, coyotes, and wolves. Email Us, Winchester (left to right): Partition Gold 7mm, .30-06, .300, .338, Fail Safe .375, Board of Fisheries and Game: Actions & Activities, Threatened, Endangered, and Diversity Program, Alaska Resources Library and Information Services (ARLIS), About the Division of Commercial Fisheries, Western Alaska Salmon Stock Identification Program (WASSIP), Online General Season & Registration Permits, Subsistence and Personal Use Fishing Permits, CSIS Community Subsistence Information System, The Technical Papers and Special Publications Series, Land Status, Access & Federal Hunting Regulations. Yet thousands of experts will tell you that the .308 Win simply isnt an elk cartridge. After all this time, it seems that no malignancies have put the argument to death. Lumberton, Texas 77657-5906. A .308 is way too light for Alaskan bears. If that is so, why do the people who test bullets on indoor ranges for major bullet companies say the .308 is more accurate than just about any other big game round? Hoping to someday draw a bison permit, my choice for the "medium" rifle is the .300 Winchester. You want to anchor the brutes,not anger them. It helps to pick the right bullets. Be forewarned and be prepared. its a great deer round on kodiak and south east, does very little meat damage, has the range for caribou and sheep if you do some practicing and enough punch to slow your bears and moose. My wife, Eileen, took a 6 1/2-pound .308 from Serengeti Rifles to South Africa in 2008. Either way you wont wear them out like you will a mass-produced gun in hard shooting service. It all started one spring day a few years back along the coast of Alaska. The buck was facing me at just about 250 yards, as nearly as we could later decide with a laser rangefinder. Guesswhat the bullet just glanced off that thick head. Yes, well placed shots with it will kill the game, but lets face it - not every situation is perfect and not every shot is well placed. My own favorite .308 is a Merkel K-1 single shot, a traditional-style kipplauf (break action) rifle that only weighs 6 3/4 pounds with a 6x42 Leupold scope. One was on a stand, apparently attacked from behind - a .458 Mag may nothave helped him. Nota slam on all guides, just an observation that you can get anyone to sayanything in this day and age. Bear - well there is a difference of opinion on that. Having lived there, here are my observations on the subject. It's a piece of art and history that might never again see employment but what a terrific conversation piece around the campfire or fireplace. Description. It could be argued that some 150-grain bullets work even better from a .308 than a standard 180 works from a .30-06. The M1873 Colt Single Action Army revolver in .45 Long Colt has been popular in Alaska since the gold rush. Could be a 200 pound black bear or a 400 . A .22 pistol is a necessity on a trapline. We can and do blabber on for hours about velocity and energy, in-flight ballistics, terminal bullet performance, stopping power, and on and on. If youcan be certain to place your shot perfectly, if you use the correctbullet, if the animal isn't too worked up, then it will work. # # Why not? Better think again. The beast (the bear,not the woman) is mounted and on display in Kinuso,Alberta. Troubles with Choke Tubes: All sorts of things prevent shotgun chokes from doing what we expect of them. Streaming flight data feed for enterprise integrations with real-time, historical and predictive flight data. Caterpillar 308-07 Excavator, 285 Hours, Rubber Track Belts, Blade, Hydraulic Thumb, Manual Coupler, 36" Digging Bucket with Teeth and 60" Clean-Out Bucket, Call for More Information! Due to its moderate velocity, expansion and penetration would not requrie a bullet like the Swift A-Fram. I wonder who ends up doing the hunting. Did you know that FlightAware flight tracking is supported by advertising? Shop popular brands like Kalashnikov, Lee Armory, and Arsenal Firearms. The requirements for a successful big game cartridge are not steeped in rocket science, as some of us gun folks would suggest. In any survival scenario, hitting what you shoot at is the first priority. But the question i have is wat about the .308? Enter the .308. Do you know otherwise?# # ChrisOK guys I'll jump in What is a skinned skunk? The Marvel Precision LLC units tighten down on the gun in such a way that they provide the finest accuracy, as witnessed by the fact that they are used in the .22 matches at Camp Perry. For holsters we always used the WWII G.I. Have a Sako 308 and it is a great gun boy is it accurate . The people living deep in the backcountry face threats the same as those in the city, only a bit different. Your 308 will do just fine. I generally load up 180grn. The technique employed here is called "proof by assertion".It sounds good in a bar, at a gun show, or on usenet - but if you're foolenough to actually act on this kind of advice, I suppose it all works out inthe end anyway. Well, the grizzlys brain is located on the centerline of the skull about halfway between the eyes and the ears when his head is down, and you have plenty of shots at it, for the carbine is almost as fast-firing as a .22. Speed: The 30-06 runs a higher muzzle velocity compared with similar weight bullets from a 308. I have often used a .270 with 150 corelokt round noses and almost always get through and through penetration with these apparently inferior bullets on heart/lung shots out to 200yds, although I think that partitions would possibly be better. . Ruger M77-GS 308 Gunsite Scout Rifle with Threaded Barrel. Many of the great Alaskan bear guides of this century have used a30-06 with 220 grain slugs for big bears. Guess, I know so, have seen it myself and if bounces off a skinned skull can, # # Just for kicks I took a shot at the skinned skull at 50 yds. Best Budget: Ruger American Vortex Crossfire II Combo. All rights reserved. You are here: Magazines > GunHunter > Articles. Butwatch for the "P" ;-). When my friend just smiled, the guide held a .308 next to a .300 cartridge and said, See my point?. Some of their logic is downright mystifying. The Sierra 168-grain MatchKing (No. You quickly learn that thecartridge, not just the gun, is the what shooting is all about. Its first hunt was a caribou trip to the Northwest Territories. Over the past decade, Ive spent a lot of time on various cull hunts, observing how a wide variety of bullets worked on game. Unlike most survival rifles, the carbine is also easy to hit with. Ask an Alaskan or northern Canadian whohas shot a big bear what will happen. #The suggestion to stick one's own head in a 'skull' to test his theory#clearly shows that the poster doesn't intend to try to prove his claim#himself ( which he could try to do ), instead relying on his own best#'guess' at what might happen. Model: 98K ISRAELI 308 CAL. My desire to hunt for trophies faded years ago, but you never know when an opportunity to help find a wounded bear might arise, and for such work I've always wanted a .470 Nitro Express in a double rifle of the British persuasion that has served on the Dark Continent. Animal Species. The conversation is sort of like picking the best gun dog or the best partner. Any if someone starts giving you a hard time about the 308ask 'em if you can trade them your 45-70 derringer for onein 50 BMG cause the 45-70 is a too small :-)-craig. When asked if there is such a thing as an inherently accurate cartridge, they all say yes and the .308 gets mentioned right away without prompting. There will be stark differences in how different bullets perform and to how each and every animal reacts to a shot. He writes every other week about guns and Alaska hunting. Otherwise you might get to be brother bruin's lunch. I would say thesame to those who ask about Africa - that these types of hunts are notfor unguided, inexperienced hunters. Track Ravn Alaska (7H) #308 flight from Anchorage Intl to Valdez Pioneer Fld. Thats just more work than I want. you know bullets and arrows kill with different methods and not all bullets are created equal, like broadheads. 308 will work if you keep your shots under 250 yards. If I ever spend the $10,000 to kill a GrizzI'll spend the xtra $ for a 338 winnie or 375 H&H. Cute response, but hardly helpful to the original poster. The .300 Remington Ultra Magnum has about 100 grains. Ifyou are merely doing some armchair planning for the future, a .308 isnot a good choice (and not even a choice for griz). The contrary view is that justdumping bullet energy into soft tissue is not a sure stopper,that bullets have to penetrate and break bones to rapidly disablea game animal, hence the use of premium bullets. Value. Current local time in USA - Alaska - Anchorage. I have four .308 Win. I chose a .308 because ammunition can be found almost anywhere in the world. But at under 500 yards, the .308 is as accurate as any big game cartridge and more accurate than most. Subscribe today to have GunHunter delivered to your home. By the way with my new Kimber 30-06 today at the range I shot a .389inch group with 165gr bullet and a 200gr load .875 inch group. Izhmash Saiga 308 16" barrel, factory fired only: $1200: 11/30 13:52: The Outdoors Trader: FS Saiga 308 non converted: $1200: 11/13 19:19: The . I would not feel ascomfortable in these situations with a .308 as I would with a .338. 2926-2951fps with the 165 and 2598-2632fps with the 200gr.load. Bears are often taken at fairly close range, and you wantto have enough power to break down their shoulder bones with one shot. The total area of the state is estimated to be 663,268 sq mi, and at the . Its cartridge is basically a high-velocity .32-20 load and it kills small game cleanly without ruining the meat. Non-resident hunters are under timeconstraints, and may have to take 'challenging' shots. Really now? Of course it will, and cutereferences to the use of .50 BMG are just that - cute dissembling offthe real topic: Is the .308 really sufficient to hunt big bear. Brand: Ruger. A somewhat cheaper alternative is the Ruger 10/22 semiauto, which has earned a wide following. The first time Christine asked me a question about calibers, her eyes rolled back in her head a few minutes into my response. Note that non-residents of Alaska must be guided on bear: hunts (close relatives hunting with non-residents excepted) and: a guide will generally loan you his gun to shoot with if they are: worried that you are using too small a gun. It is so much more interesting and fun to discuss a multitude of rifle/cartridge combinations tailored specifically for certain tasks and then, of course, get them. My sample weighed only 4 pounds, 14 ounces, which is incredible. What YOU"would rather use" is irrelevant. When planning your hunting trip to Alaska or any other tough hunting environment, be prepared for any situation by having a reliable rifle of the proper caliber, built on the proven Controlled Round Feed bolt-action you can trust with your life. No, the .308 Winchester is UNDERKILL for grizzly or brown bear hunting, under average conditions, from a mid-range distance, with a medium grain expanding bullet, and with correct shot placement. AR-15s and Mini-14s in .223 have become quite popular with western Alaska subsistence caribou hunters, although I have no idea how effective they find them to be. Using the 150-grain Nosler E-Tip handloaded to around 2,800 fps, she took a big Burchells zebra stallion. Jim Kirkhamjtk@lis.ab.caMember: The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation (9yrs. My brother is coming up to Alaska and the plan is to ambush a bear from a blind. Why on earth would youcarry a shotgun instead of a more capable rifle? Call it 3,000 fps. The bones in the skull are severely angled, and the brain case looksmuch like a football - oval with a "pointed" end facing forward. They also go on and off the gun quickly and easily. These guns work perfectly with all 7.62 NATO and .308 loads, including the heavy bullet ones. I know this because I have done it. Mischa wrote in message <6pnhpm$3@xring.cs.umd.edu> > Eskimos [oh my God, innuits] often use the .22 Hornet, [Full jacketed, of course], to hunt POLAR BEARS. Liketank armor, the angled bone easily deflects all but near-perfect frontalshots ( the bear would likely have a heck of a headache though! He writes every other week about guns and Alaska hunting. You won't find many if you find one. This shock wave helps to "stop" the animal init's tracks and kill it quickly. Ricky, Grizzly-iffyBlack-YesMoose-doubtfulcaribou-don't know. Add to Cart. I plan on taking him Black bear and moose hunting this next year without hesitation. She even shot through the leaf of a big prickly pear to drop a trophy bushbuck on the other side of the cactus-studded barricade. No shots were over 125 yards and I was using Barnes 180 grX bullets for the most part. Run either one of those bullet weights right through the lungs and the moose will never know the difference between the 308 or the 30-06. When Canadian Rangers were choosing their new rifle, the T3x Arctic beat all of its rivals. In order to be really dangerous they should be hunted up close and personal, halitosis distance if you will. JavaScript is disabled. I will be reloading thanks darryl. I would also make sure your scope is up to the task: theweather can go from very mild (winter 76-77 the ice wasoff the beaches in February enough to go clam digging!) The 308 caliber rifle likes the 150 - 165 grain bullets. . if you have to buy a new gun anyway, the .338 is a great choice it has a bullet weight range of 160-275's i belive and can handle anything in alaska and won't be over gunned for any of it, or undergunned. 308 or aught six either way you roll, will work fine, but like carinivore statednot ever situation works out perfectly. In Alaska I would only carry .45 Colt ammo in it due to the bears it might be called upon to defend against. Again, I know this because Ive seen .308 and .30-06 bullets put down those animals over and over again, often as fast as the .300 magnums topple them. It isn't just a .308 that would skip, I use a .375 H&H for my annual Alaskatreks and I wouldn't try to shoot a bear straight on in the head with it. But the longer I see the .308 in action, the more it impresses me. Get Shipping Quotes Opens in a new tab. From bolt action rifles to AR-10s, the .308 Winchester is one of the most versatile cartridges out there. Zastava USA has something for you! I think the .308 is a good round, and will definitely take most anything with a well placed shot. In article <6pnhpm$3@xring.cs.umd.edu>, spy@ix.netcom.com says#, #Will a .308 be sufficient to hunt bear, moose and caribou in Alaska?'. Featured Listing. In fact, the .45-70 is used today on Alaskanbison, but due to state game laws the loads must be pretty stout, andsuitable for only the Ruger, TCR and some rolling block and boltactions. Components. (Photo illustration by Steve Meyer). Alaska, USA. Too, recoil has lost some of its charm as Ive grown older. Alaska big-game hunting could mean chasing Dall's rams across windy mountain basins or stalking massive brown bears at close range (even if you're just fishing, you might want a rifle along for backup bear insurance). Just shy of the often quoted 1500ft-lbs at 400 yards. So slow that its sustained fire rate is the same as a cap-and-ball revolver with paper cartridges. I would opt for something with some serious energy just to give myself peace of mind. If you hit a moose in the lungs he is going to die, but you might have a trailing job on your hands. Brand new .308 M77 at rather affordable . Ifone is to come to the Last Frontier to kill a bear, he should plan to doit with a non-marginal cartridge, unless he isn't "man enough" to makethe effort. Forests have been decimated to publish various opinions. Naturally, shot placement is critical. that I have killed 9 elk (8 bulls, 1cow) with and over a half dozen mule deer and thrown it in thegarbage. The 308 will more than adequately do the job when appliedcorrectly. I hear .308, 30-06, 12 gauge shotgun and .22 LR are most common, but it might pay to check and take ammo precautions if your baggage is lost, like have a box ordered and waiting at the local Alaska store of your brand and special caliber. Whenever hunters gather around a campfire to discuss big-game cartridges, you'll hear talk about the .270 Winchester versus the .30-06, some chatter about the 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .300 Weatherby Mag and .300 WSM, but almost nothing about the .308 Winchester. A $20 book could be a great investment - try "Huntingin Alaska" for starters. Those who go on a guided hunt may find other guns satisfactory for their purposes, but a bush dwellers life may depend on his guns being called on to meet every contingency, not just those of a guided hunt. Bullets glance off human skulls too, and they areneither as thick nor as angled as that of a big bear. BUT SOMETHING OF 338. taken from Petersen's 2007 Hunting Annual ballistics tables. The .308 or 6 mm/.243 Win or the new 6.5 Creedmoor I love is fine for black tail deer however if you are on . This is partly because middle-aged bodies arent as flexible as they were, but its also because heavy recoil can detach retinas and even cause minor concussions. I don't have it handy, but I'veposted the whole report annually when this thread comes up (always in theFall you know) every year for the last 6 or so - check Deja News if youwant to read it. Many hunter choose the .308 for exactly the same reason as you, it's just so darn comfortable to shoot. Alaskan animals aren't bulletproof, but some are large and tenacious,not to mention dangerous. Ive heard writer's say the 30/06 is the sensible minimun for interiorgrizz but they were speaking about 180grn and 200grn bullets. But, what about when you're walking down the trail and you have to make a snap-shot on a large bear, and you only get one? An alert hunter is more important than nitpicking about the caliber of the gun And yes I have killed three Alaskan bears in the last four years.Happy hunting!-craig. What helps us more than anything is a rifle we can shoot accurately, not a few less inches of bullet drop. Inland has been able to get 1-inch minute-of-angle groups at 100 yards with their guns. Beyond 500 yards, other factors become more important, especially wind drift. Yep, pay attention instead to someone who reads about doing it, or whohas done it once or twice. Complete penetration from 70 yards. Some hoplophobic bureaucrats idea of safety. 130 grain bullets for a .270 and 200 grain bullets for .338, Board of Fisheries and Game: Actions & Activities, Threatened, Endangered, and Diversity Program, Alaska Resources Library and Information Services (ARLIS), About the Division of Commercial Fisheries, Western Alaska Salmon Stock Identification Program (WASSIP), Online General Season & Registration Permits, Subsistence and Personal Use Fishing Permits, CSIS Community Subsistence Information System, The Technical Papers and Special Publications Series. Designed by German engineers after World War II, the CETME was adopted by Germany as the G3. The 7mm caliber holds many advantages when comparing the traditional 308 cartridge and traditional caliber of .308 (30 cal). Two dead in SE Alaska in1992/3, both hunters out hunting. Today the finest .22 pistol is the Marvel Precision LLC .22 conversion unit mounted on a M1911A1 pistol. Even a .22 CB will do it. Kodiak Brown Bear are the world's largest carnivore due to the almost unlimited volume of salmon to feed on and have long had the respect of seasoned international hunters. Unlike most .22 pistols, these are easy to maintain. Ive hunted big game with a pile of .30-caliber cartridges, including the .30-30 Win, .30-40 Krag, .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30-06, .300 WSM, .300 H&H, .300 Win Mag, .300 Wby Mag and .300 Rem Ultra Mag. I live and hunt in Alaska too (and I don't suffer from magnumitus). It is a modern design without screws to back out and is made as rugged and indestructible as modern science can make it. Add to My Saved Parts. The great shotgun reference, once again raises it's ugly head. Deep penetration and long-range capability are some of the reasons why it is so beloved. He claimed to have shot almost 10 elk. I have a picture of a moose in the Alaska forum that was killed by my .44 with a 300 grain Speer from 60 yards. Whitepages is the authority in people search, established in 1997. Manufacturer: MAUSER. A premium bullet from the .308 will work on just about all non-dangerous game. Caribou are pretty easy to kill, nothing fancy needed from abullet. Caliber. Yet another post from someone who has probably never even seen a browniein the bush, let alone shot at one. Guns built on military surplus parts kits are available from Century Arms at about half the price. FlightAware provides accurate real-time, historical and predictive flight insights to all segments of the I have lots of choices for rifles, just cant leave the .308 at home! On the downside, it is slow to unload the spent cartridge cases and reload the chambers. The 308 Bullet Choice for Moose. The cartridge used is almost not relevant - pick the terminalperformance you want, select a bullet that is known to deliverthat performance, then pick a cartridge that will launch thatbullet at the needed speed. 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